Monday, September 10th, 2007 08:34 pm
No, really. They may be gory, and they may startle you, but do they really give you nightmares? Do they haunt your thoughts for days or even weeks afterwards? Do they change your life? If so, what movies have you been watching?

See, these movies nowadays don't scare me because the whole time, in the back of my mind, there's that little thought: "Well, if she wasn't such and idiot, she wouldn't get hurt."

And I'm not just talking about the horror movie cliches of running in heels and investigating creepy basements with an iffy flashlight. I'm talking fundamental 'if you really wanted to live...' decisions.

To demonstrate: last night I watched Rest Stop. I have only one word for you if you're thinking about it: don't. It's really not worth your time. Here's the story: girl and guy set out on a road trip, pull over at a rest stop, are terrorized by creepy stalker dude. That's about it. I guess it could have been scary, but...

Let's examine where our heroine went wrong. Ignoring the obvious 'don't run away from home, you twit', there was the 'safety in numbers, go together to the bathrooms that were 200 yards from the parking lot'. Okay, so we all get a little lax with our safety. You split up, and when you come out of the bathroom your boyfriend is gone. Perhaps you do stand there for a little while thinking he's playing a cruel joke. But when the creepy truck guy (whose license plate is scrawled all over the bathroom with 'he killed me' messages) chucks your boyfriend's cell phone at you and drives off, do you: 1)just start walking down the road, sure it's 60 miles but you're bound to find someone sometime, or you'll at least eventually get to the town 2) break into the ranger station, get the map, and find a path through the woods that will get you to civilization sooner or 3) break into the ranger station, ineptly use the radio (oh, who didn't guess she was actually talking to creepy truck guy?), and proceed to get blitzed on a half-full bottle of Wild Turkey?

Let's suppose you're a complete idiot (as our heroine is) and opt for option 3. Surprisingly, all is not yet lost. A motorcycle cop happens by! Unfortunately, creepy truck guy runs him over. So, you're crouching on the ground, holding a wounded armed cop, and the trucker gets out of the truck, wraps a chain around the front wheel of the motorcycle, and prepares to drag the bike off (with the radio, not to mention it's a mode of transportation!). Do you 1) grab whatever stout weapon you've armed yourself with and at least attempt to pummel the crap out of him 2) grab the cop's gun and shoot the guy or 3) sob helplessly as he drags off your chance at salvation?

If you, like our heroine, choose option 3... you deserve to die. Seriously. At that point, for the gene pool, I was rooting for the bad guy. No one that stupid deserves to live (and possibly reproduce, we'd have the obligatory sex scene earlier, so you never know).

This movie wasn't scary because that would never happen to me. No amount of 'stress' would make me that idiotic. Now, that amount of stress might have some effect on me, as in, I'd empty the clip into the guy instead of the strictly necessary 1-2 shots, but hey, chances are I wouldn't still be at that godforsaken rest stop at that point. I'd take my chances in the woods before sitting there like... well, a sitting duck!

Honestly, the last scary moment in a movie was Scream. Yes, I know it was a funny movie, but there's that scene at the beginning where you see, in the background and kind of out of the corner of your eye, that figure dart down the hallway. And the idea of someone creeping around in my house (however slim with my dog and her psychosis) is still far more likely and creepy that weird, rest stop trawling sadists.
Tuesday, September 11th, 2007 02:09 am (UTC)
This is why I don't watch horror movies. I don't think they're even aiming for "scary" so much as they're aiming for "gory" and assuming that the former will naturally follow the latter, and... no.
Tuesday, September 11th, 2007 02:16 am (UTC)
Exactly. No one cares about true horror, it's all gratuitous sex and blood. :( There really are very few good movies at all, genre notwithstanding. Sci-fi relies too heavily on special effects and comedies fall back on juvenile humor. BAH!
Tuesday, September 11th, 2007 03:24 am (UTC)
Suspense makes me cover my eyes. I don't really go for most horror films. But, I do find them obscurely funny.

Well, there was that one I saw as a kid that still gives me the occasional nightmare. But I don't remember what it was.

But yeah, on the whole, horror is pathetic and gory. My family joke (b/c of the area we live in) is Wrong Turn. Horrible movie, not worth your time, idiotic ... and yet strangely hilarious if you live in the deep South.

I mean, it totally gives you an excuse to say "inbred cannibal hillbilly." So I suppose it has some worth.
Tuesday, September 11th, 2007 10:23 am (UTC)
I get far too creeped out in horror movies. The recent remake of Dawn of the Dead gave me trouble sleeping for about three weeks, until I went back to boarding school with my third-floor room that I figured the zombies couldn't get into as easily. I haven't watched a horror movie since.
Tuesday, September 11th, 2007 10:54 am (UTC)
That movie always brings back funny memories...we saw it for the first time in the movie theater. The beginning scene with Drew Barrymore this lady in the theater starts yelling out instructions to her...

"Run B@#CH,"
"Scream B@#CH"

At this point someone tries to shush her and she says (still in her loud non indoor voice)

"I'm sorry she's just a stupid B@#CH"

So even now that is the response to stupid female characters (and sometimes male).

Gore in movies doesn't bother me too much but suspense does (the waiting for the violence to happen).
Tuesday, September 11th, 2007 10:57 am (UTC)
After The Ring (American version) I couldn't sleep facing my TV for a week. D=

I don't see any horror films usually, but seeing the Saw movies with one of my friends has become a tradition. He didn't really like it when I started giggling through the last one, though. Drowning in liquified pig carcasses! *sniggers*
Tuesday, September 11th, 2007 01:33 pm (UTC)
Damn straight. I was cheering for the creepy truck guy too.
Tuesday, September 11th, 2007 02:54 pm (UTC)
Psychologically, people talk big when it comes to "If that were me I'd do..." when it comes to scary movies and high stress situations. Truth be told most of us would either panic or sit there with blank confused stares because we've never really been in those situations, you know, the ones with masked super-serial killers or supernatural entities in the dark who can suck our souls away. That said, this heroine must have been drinking the kool-aid in terms of fighting back.

I stick to classics mostly but lately I've been into watching the Grudge and The Descent for creepy scariness. I just watched Pulse the other day and that wasn't so much scary as it was a good story/idea by wes craven that stepped out of the "Happily ever after" realm at the end. I was thinking the other day that a horror movie should be made where everything is vague except for the fear factor. For example, nobody knows what the monster or killer person is or what it's after, nobody really knows how to stop it (which seems to be the motif of all monster movies, one person knows everything), and it all boils down to survival against an unknown stalker. That's where the fear is, not knowing. That's where I think modern scary movies fail because they explain everything to us like we're morons.
Tuesday, September 11th, 2007 03:10 pm (UTC)
I don't need to go see horror movies. I have the scariest most insane horror movies in my head when I sleep and I dream bad dreams. And I don't need to dream the laws of physics, either!
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:10 am (UTC)
I have to say, I can't even begin to tell you how much I hated Wrong Turn, purely for being a waste of my time. However, it gave me a chance to perfect my verbally-ripping-movie-to-shreds-while-it's-still-going-on skills!
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:18 am (UTC)
Pretty much, yeah.

And the whole deep-South joke-age. <3

(Am allowed, since I live down here, LOL)
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:19 am (UTC)
Unfortunately, while I agree with everything you have just said, and would generally try not to watch things that either bore me or enrage me...Colum LOVES horror. So much. Now, he does have decent taste in horror movies for the most part, but that doesn't stop him from watching every piece of shit one that comes out too, just in case it turns out to be good.

Therefore, I get to see far more of these films than I ever, ever want to.

This has also caused me to develop Movie Tourette's, a rare disease characterized by violent verbal outbursts directed at the television.

I'd refuse to watch them anymore, but he puts up with my love of terrible action movies, so it's only fair.
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:22 am (UTC)
Have you seen Cabin Fever? It's equally atrocious and nonsensical, but the end redeems it with completely meaningless-to-the-plot humour.
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:23 am (UTC)
Hmm, I've heard about it (horrible and not good at all, if I remember right) but never have seen it.
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:28 am (UTC)
TERRIBLE, I assure you. I was going to kill my husband for making me watch it, until the end made me crack up.

If you get the opportunity to watch it - don't. Just watch the beginning, up until the point where the people are in a little rural store and ask the guy who runs it what his gun's for.

Then watch the last five minutes.

It has nothing to do with the rest of the movie, and is completely unnecessary. But funny.
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:32 am (UTC)
Why do I have the perverse urge to try to track down a copy of Wrong Turn now? Oh, right, because I have this thing about watching really bad horror movies then complaining about them... (I really wasn't under any illusions that Rest Stop was going to be a good movie!).

...aw, bugger, the library doesn't have a copy... :(
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:32 am (UTC)
...the library does, however, have Cabin Fever...
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:35 am (UTC)
I was pleasantly surprised by Dawn of the Dead. Oh, and 28 Days Later wasn't bad, either. Can't say either gave me nightmares, though. I simply can't believe zombies could exist, therefore, not scary... :(

But then, as a kid my mom kept me up on Friday night to watch monster movies (I never got up in time to see Saturday morning cartoons) so I'm sure I'm just desensitized!
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:36 am (UTC)
I hated The Ring. :( I think that was one of those I kinda half-fast-forwarded through because I was bored.

And I did actually fall asleep during one of the Saw movies...
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:38 am (UTC)
I saw Anacondas II: Hunt for the Blood Orchid in a theater (they were free preview tickets, I never would have paid for that!) full of people who talked back to the screen. And though I'm normally against people talking in a movie theater, that MADE that movie. I laughed so hard... it was awesome.
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:39 am (UTC)
I'm glad I wasn't the only one... though he was awfully creepy *shudder*
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:44 am (UTC)
Well, if you're going to insist on watching something I tell you is terrible, you're probably better off with Cabin Fever than P.I.N.

;)
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:45 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure I'd run. That's not big talk, it's really pretty cowardly. Big talk would be trying to hunt down the guy to get your boyfriend back. And while I like to think, if I knew he was still alive, I'd try to save someone... I'm not willing to say that. Because I'd probably rationalize it that going to get help would be the most helpful thing I could do.

But then, I like to think no one could take my hubby without a bit of a scuffle, he's a pretty big guy. And, I think if I went on a car trip through the vast wilderness I wouldn't go unarmed...

I disliked The Grudge and The Descent. The Grudge was bad because the creepy character was just too 'cute'. And I think that one lost some stuff in the translation, I have a feeling the original Japanese version would be scarier, especially if you understood their culture. The Descent just confused me at the end. She ran and drove in an empty car and then... bam, the girl was just there?!

"I think modern scary movies fail because they explain everything to us like we're morons"

EXACTLY! There's ZERO suspense, and suspense is what's 'scary', not gore.
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:46 am (UTC)
Yeah, the library doesn't have that one... ;)
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:47 am (UTC)
My scariest dreams are just ones where I'm terrified, but I don't know why or of what... It's just an extreme sense of fear.
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 01:49 am (UTC)
Occasionally I do love going on a 'bad movie' bing, just so I can mock them. And if they're bad enough, it works (see comment above on Anacondas). It's the ones in the middle ground that are just... bleh that are the problem.

My favorite action movie might be Last Action Hero. DEATH BY ICE CREAM CONE!
Wednesday, September 12th, 2007 02:02 am (UTC)
My favourite BAD action movie is Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man. It's one of many movies that I have forced friends to sit through. Many of them did not appreciate the experience. Alas...